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		<title>Morality Part 2: Immoral Religion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems a common claim that morality is impossible without religion. While I might agree that in some cases religion (or, more specifically, the fear of eternal damnation) can be a pretty good motivator, I think that a morality that doesn&#8217;t rely on religion is not just possible, but it&#8217;s a lot more desirable. Last [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/nthei/386266505/" title="Repressed Memories - Obscured Morality by Nthel @ Flickr"><img src="http://20gramsoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/church.jpg" title="Church by Nthel (under CC License)" alt="Church by Nthel (under CC License)" class="right" /></a>It seems a common claim that morality is impossible without religion. While I might agree that <em>in some cases</em> religion (or, more specifically, the fear of eternal damnation) can be a pretty good motivator, I think that a morality that doesn&#8217;t rely on religion is not just possible, but it&#8217;s a lot more desirable. Last time, I outlined a somewhat extreme view of what some people think of morality without religion. In this post, I&#8217;d like to explain how I feel Christian morality (and religion-based morality in general) can be flawed and potentially abused. Next time, I&#8217;ll outline some of my ideas about morality.</p>
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<li><a href="http://20gramsoul.com/2007/06/24/religion-based-morality-1/" title="God Hating Atheists @ 20 gram Soul">Morality Part 1: God Hating  Atheists</a></li>
<li><a href="/2007/07/08/religion-based-morality-3/" title="Morality Part 3: Non-Theistic Morality">Morality Part 3: Non-Theistic Morality</a></li>
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<h1>Immoral Religion</h1>
<blockquote><p>With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. &#8211; Steven Weinberg<sup>1</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>As Steven Weinberg suggests, some people use religion to justify their immorality. I remember a joke I was told a few years ago (by a Lawyer, I think &#8211; who knew they had a sense of humour?), that talked about there being two types of Catholics &#8211; those who felt so restricted by their religion, that they had very dull lives, and those who live life to the full (&#8220;immorality&#8221; and all), and then simply ask forgiveness. Religion, I suppose, can be quite liberating for one&#8217;s morality if one can always rely on the <a href="http://www.catholic.com/library/Forgiveness_of_Sins.asp" title="Forgiveness of Sins @ catholic.com">forgiveness of sins</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0195320948%26tag=20gramsoul-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0195320948%253FSubscriptionId=1N9AHEAQ2F6SVD97BE02" title="Click and drag this image to the post editor"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/21JcAFr0yKL.jpg" title="Forbidden Fruit, by Mark Regnerus on Amazon" alt="Forbidden Fruit, by Mark Regnerus on Amazon" class="left" width="105" /></a>According to one book (at least, <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2167293?nav=tap3" title="Review of Forbidden Fruit">the review</a> of it that I read) evangelical Christian teenagers, although likely to think not having sex before marriage is the right thing to do, are actually <em>more </em>likely than many other Christians to commit this &#8220;sinful&#8221; act.</p>
<blockquote><p>80 percent think sex should be saved for marriage. But thinking is not the same as doing. Evangelical teens are actually <em>more</em> likely to have lost their virginity than either mainline Protestants or Catholics.<sup>2</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, maybe you could argue that these teenagers &#8220;aren&#8217;t true Christians&#8221;, otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t be having sex before marriage<sup>3</sup>. But then, that wouldn&#8217;t stop people using the bible to justify slavery (as long as the slaves are from neighbouring nations)<sup>4</sup>, and killing people who work on the Sabbath<sup>5</sup><sup>6</sup>. Not to mention all the historical atrocities committed in the name of religion<sup>7</sup>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely not claiming that religious people are necessarily immoral, but I think I&#8217;ve shown that it&#8217;s certainly possible to &#8220;live by the rules&#8221; of religion, and act completely immorally (honestly, does anyone still think slavery is moral?). There&#8217;s people out there clearly saying that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6758317.stm" title="Call for 'post-9/11' RE teaching @ BBC">religion is not always a force for good</a><sup>8</sup>, and they make some pretty good points!</p>
<p>Why, then, do people persist in claiming that religion is the only way to live a moral life?</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_25" class="footnote"><a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26814.html">http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26814.html</a></li><li id="footnote_1_25" class="footnote"><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2167293?nav=tap3" title="Review of Forbidden Fruit">http://www.slate.com/id/2167293?nav=tap3</a></li><li id="footnote_2_25" class="footnote">Of course, you might also argue that sex before marriage isn&#8217;t immoral, in which case, I&#8217;d agree with you</li><li id="footnote_3_25" class="footnote"><a href="http://bible.cc/leviticus/25-44.htm" title="Leviticus 25:44 in Various Translations of the Bible">Leviticus 25:44</a></li><li id="footnote_4_25" class="footnote"><a href="http://bible.cc/exodus/35-2.htm" title="Exodus 35:2 in Various Translations of the Bible">Exodus 35:2</a></li><li id="footnote_5_25" class="footnote">Some other great examples at <a href="http://unixgirl.com/humor/bible1.html" title="Follow the Bible?">Follow the Bible?</a></li><li id="footnote_6_25" class="footnote"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition" title="Inquisition @ Wikipedia">The Inquisition</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades" title="The Crusades @ Wikipedia">The Crusades</a>, etc.</li><li id="footnote_7_25" class="footnote">Link via <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/06/18/religious-education-with-warts/" title="Religious Education With Warts @ Friendly Atheist">Religious Education With Warts</a></li></ol><img src="http://20gramsoul.com/?ak_action=api_record_view&id=25&type=feed" alt="" />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Ways to Compare World Religions</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are some simple ways that you can compare all the major world religions: Read The Big Religion Chart, or Read this: TAOISM &#8211; Shit happens CONFUCIANISM &#8211; Confucius says: &#8220;Shit happens.&#8221; BUDDHISM &#8211; If shit happens, it isn&#8217;t really shit. ZEN &#8211; What is the sound of shit happening? HINDUISM &#8211; This shit happened [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some simple ways that you can compare all the major world religions:</p>
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<li>Read <a href="http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm" title="The Big Religion Chart @ Religion Facts">The Big Religion Chart</a>,<br />
or</li>
<li>Read this:</li>
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<blockquote><p><strong>TAOISM</strong> &#8211; Shit happens<br />
<strong>CONFUCIANISM</strong> &#8211; Confucius says: &#8220;Shit happens.&#8221;<br />
<strong>BUDDHISM</strong> &#8211; If shit happens, it isn&#8217;t really shit.<br />
<strong>ZEN</strong> &#8211; What is the sound of shit happening?<br />
<strong>HINDUISM</strong> &#8211; This shit happened before.<br />
<strong>ISLAM</strong> &#8211; If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.<br />
<strong>PROTESTANT</strong> &#8211; Let shit happen to someone else.<br />
<strong>CATHOLIC</strong> &#8211; If shit happens, you deserve it.<br />
<strong>JUDAISM</strong> &#8211; Why does this shit always happen to us?<br />
<strong>JEHOVAH&#8217;S WITNESS</strong> &#8211; Let us in and we&#8217;ll tell you why shit happens<br />
<strong>HARE KRISHNA</strong> &#8211; Shit happens. Shit happens. Shit happens.<br />
<strong>PAGAN</strong> &#8211; Shit is part of the goddess, too.<br />
<strong>SCIENTOLOGY</strong> &#8211; This book gets rid of your shit.<br />
<strong>EXISTENTIALISM</strong> &#8211; Everything is shit, so let&#8217;s be depressed.<br />
<strong>NIHILISM</strong> &#8211; Everything is shit, so let&#8217;s blow it all up.<br />
<strong>SATANISM</strong> &#8211; I made this shit happen and I&#8217;m glad about it.<br />
<strong>SOLIPSISM</strong> &#8211; This shit happens to me alone, but I am the cause of it<br />
<strong>ATHEISM</strong> &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe this shit.<br />
<strong>AGNOSTICISM</strong> &#8211; What is this shit?<br />
<strong>NEW AGE</strong> &#8211; For $300 I can help you achieve Shit Happens Awareness</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Ali-G on Religion</title>
		<link>http://20gramsoul.com/2007/05/30/ali-g-on-religion/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 16:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not always a fan of Sacha Baron Cohen, the man behind character like Ali-G and Borat, but he does come out with some funny ones occasionally. Best line from the clip: Ali-G: &#8220;Let&#8217;s talk about this man, the main man, the mack daddy of this Christian thing&#8230; what was his name again?&#8221; Catholic Priest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not always a fan of Sacha Baron Cohen, the man behind character like Ali-G and Borat, but he does come out with some funny ones occasionally.</p>
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<p>Best line from the clip:</p>
<blockquote><p> <strong>Ali-G</strong>: &#8220;Let&#8217;s talk about this man, the main man, the mack daddy of this Christian thing&#8230; what was his name again?&#8221;<br />
<strong>Catholic Priest</strong> (clearly frustrated): &#8220;Jesus Christ!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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